Product was as described and arrived promptly i have the 800 rotring thins thing breaks the leeds that comes from it inside so far hasnt broken this ones maybe just being lucky this things work great they look great on paper my eyes are happy to see them in paper everyone has a different pressure on the paper when writhing so this might not be for you i just advice that if you get higher blackness you also get higher softness which means they will last less on your paper for example 2b smears on paper so easily with one finger fine if you are going to bive the work to the teacher and then it goes to the trash but if you want to make notes for years the closest